Two Reasons Self Submissions Are Great, And One Big Reason They Can Suck
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Hey there, hero!
I saw a posting on Facebook recently that quoted several casting directors on why they love self-taped auditions.
Three reasons stuck out.
One stuck out in a very bad way.
Hope this helps!
David
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hey there it’s David H Lawrence the 17th
and I kind of feel like this video
should be called heard around the
casting office because I basically
picked up a few things just being
members of casting workshop and casting
director and acting and audition prep
and self tape groups on Facebook and on
LinkedIn and attending live going to
those networking events that I’ve been
talking about and I picked up three
things three things that were repeated
over and over again not by actors who
thought they were right but actually by
executive producers and casting
directors who said them and you know you
can if they’re the ones actually
engaging in these practices then it’s
something I want you to know about so
the first thing I heard was from an
executive director of Downton Abbey who
was interviewed on the web and said
words the effect of they love self tapes
and the reason they love self tapes is
that they can watch or in the case of
voice-over casting directors listen to
and I’m using air quotes on both a
hundred submissions in the same time it
takes them to do a ten person live
audition session because they’ll start
watching or start listening and if they
don’t like it they’ll just move on to
the next one and there’s no live actor
to shoo out of the room saying yeah
thank you thank you
could you send the next person in it’s a
very fast process for them because they
know what they’re looking for and he
didn’t say it to be mean or to be nasty
he said it to be truthful and honest and
as someone who has sat on that side of
the casting table before I can tell you
that’s exactly what happens after a
while is no I don’t want that no that’s
not what I’m looking for wait wait hold
on and then you listen to the ones that
piqued your interest but you can’t do
that in a live session so the second
thing that was said by a casting
director who I happened to know and this
was at an actual workshop she said look
self tapes for me are more efficient but
for you they give you the opportunity to
do all those things you wish you could
do in the room itself like go back and
take it again perfect little things that
you thought you could do better you can
work on it as long as you like and you
know the same goes for both on camera
and for voiceover it now what I don’t
want you to do is to take that as a
permission slip to work it to the bone
right do that before you do your actual
on-camera audition and don’t do that at
all when it comes to voiceover you can
overwork things and you can forget what
you really think is important what you
really want to be important as you work
on some minor little thing that’s
frustrating you because you’re not
getting it exactly right I want to say
the word thee not the you know just
don’t don’t don’t do that now this third
one this third one I can only say it
sucks it’s awful but again it was said
to let people know what happens in the
real world and in this case it was a
casting director who said I love the
idea of self tapes because I can simply
tell an agent who is overzealous and
annoying trying to get their actor into
my audition I can tell them great have
them put themselves on tape and then I
will never watch their stuff or I will
never listen to their voiceover audition
because their agent was so pushy or
because they don’t have time or because
they know full well that even though the
agent thinks the person is right for it
that the actor is not right for it and
that word agent can be taken out and
substituted for actor when it comes to
self submissions so there’s good and
there’s not so good when it comes to
self tape and that’s just kind of
I heard around the water cooler by
casting people and executive producers
and I just thought I’d share that with
you tell me what you think about this
comments go below the video I’d love to
hear what you say when you heard that
third one did that kind of make you
cringe that kind of makes I knew it I
knew they were doing don’t let it get to
you but tell me what you think about
that in the comments below if you want
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I just found out this morning that I’ve got an eco-cast audition for an under 5, so this video couldn’t be better timed. Thanks, David.
This is where the reality of the business comes in, and your advice is terrific here: always frame the casting question in terms of how you can make the client’s life easier. We can get all worked up about the art, and fairness, and a hundred other issues. But when you stop and consider that the client is a person whose life is every bit as frustrating as yours (and maybe more), then think about how to make that life easier–your odds of being someone they want to work with go up.
This reminds me of watching a former employer going through resumes in front of me. He was skipping through at high speed saying things like, “Don’t like it. Too busy. Poorly formatted,” etc. etc. From their perspective though, I understand it. They’re busy, and if something catches their attention, much like a casting director, it’s probably worth a look (or listen). This is good info to have. Thanks for the video David.
Uugh. I heard #3 at a workshop too and it felt like the temperature in the room changed. The CD said it smugly and laughed a bit. I couldn’t get my jaw off the floor. Felt like saying “You know that’s… ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE RIGHT? Just say no and save us all time.”
We all do things to make our jobs easier—often without consideration for others ans sometimes with little consideration for the end product. The first realization needed by any supplicant is to understand that most, not all, first-line staff consider themselves gatekeepers—seeing their job as weeding out the chaff.
Therefore the process becomes finding reasons to say “No” rather than reasons to say “Yes.”
While that makes their job easier, it makes ours more difficult. To paraphrase the Hippocratic Oath, “First, do no wrong.” Make sure our audition doesn’t go into the round file. Because once we do, our job just got 10-times easier.
Because now that gatekeeper knows he has to find “The One” (or however many she needs,) to fill her quota—and that pile of leftovers in front of her is all she has to work with. Now it becomes finding reasons to say yes.
Now we have a chance to shine. Now those bold choices can make the difference .
Always value knowing info like this. All the more reason to not oversell and not take it too personal if not cast. When I audition I always try to have the attitude of wanting them to have the best talent for their project. If its me fantastic, if not, lets move on and both find that perfect match. Thanks David.
I feel like the reality of the 21st century is that self-submission makes things easier for everybody, just may also make the odds more random given that there’s no personal exchange involved. Your point about an agent getting pushback (and not knowing that they overplayed their hand) is a good one too.